Transcending boots
So I'm sitting here talking with several other folks about What It Means that Apple has released a public beta of Boot Camp, which is new platware that lets Apple computers boot Windows as well as Apple's own OS X operating system. Walter Mossberg says this. Robert X. Cringeley says this. There's a huge pile of other commentary on the subject as well.
Yet I haven't seen much if anything so far about a simple practical implication. Namely, that lots of software in the world only runs on one platform, and that therefore it's good to have computers that run more than one platform as well. Because, y'know, sometimes the one thing you need to do can't be done on the platform you use most of the time.
For example. I have a hand-held Garmin GPS. If I want to put local street or topo maps on the GPS, I need to do that with a Windows box, because Garmin has installware that only works on Windows. So I reboot the Linux laptop in Windows, install the maps, quit and go back to Linux. Also, from the Linux side of the box, I can look in the Windows directory, put files in there, take files out, or whatever. It's nice to be able to do that. And I imagine the same ability will exist (at least at the command line level) for Apple boxes that also run Windows. (And, hopefully, for future boxes from anybody that run any platform.)
The point is, it's simply handy for some folks to have the ability to run more than one platform on a box. This is quite aside from What's Better or Who's Winning or Who Rocks or Who Sucks or any of the rest of that stuff. I'm just talking here about simple practical concerns for people (admittedly, mostly geeks) working in the real world.
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London
When they gonna stop blow everything?
London
When they gonna stop blow everything?
London
Police have carried out a controlled explosion on a vehicle at the hospital treating a suspect in the attack on Scotland's busiest airport. Officers also made a fifth arrest in the airport attack and a foiled car bomb plot in London.
Sometimes
Sometimes I can't understand...
I've got it
I've got it!
Bullshit
Sorry but you are discussing bullshit
But other said
But other said that the judgement induces common sense, tertium non datur
But other said
But other said that the judgement induces common sense, tertium non datur
Interesting
Interesting opinion. But IMHO it's just an opinion.
My experience
I have great experience in that. So I can understand...
No
Sorry. I'm not agree with you.
TP With Fedora or MacBook
Doc,
I've been a faithful Linux desktop/laptop user for about 7 years with no Windows at all. My most used computer was a ThinkPad T40 running Fedora Core 3, 4 and now 5 with a dual booting into Suse 10.0.
My TP recently had a few too many falls and the system board is damaged. I decided to take a foray into the Mac laptop world after configuring a new ThinkPad that was comparable in spec to the MacBook but almost $750 more. The new and affordable MacBook (Not the PRO) is absolutely amazing, with a few minor issues. I miss my ThinkPad a great deal but what I miss most is Linux.
I am using Q (an OS X port of QEMU) for Fedora Core 5 and am considering Parallels once I up the RAM to 2 GB. My point is, that you are 100% correct. Apple won't officially support other platforms but until they release OS X on a ThinkPad, the MacBooks are great for the price and now give me the option to run multiple versions of Linux using virtualization or dual booting. Apple is primarily a hardware company and they can definitely sell more hardware if they at least maintain some openness to other operating systems.
Pankaj
TP With Fedora or MacBook
Doc,
I've been a faithful Linux desktop/laptop user for about 7 years with no Windows at all. My most used computer was a ThinkPad T40 running Fedora Core 3, 4 and now 5 with a dual booting into Suse 10.0.
My TP recently had a few too many falls and the system board is damaged. I decided to take a foray into the Mac laptop world after configuring a new ThinkPad that was comparable in spec to the MacBook but almost $750 more. The new and affordable MacBook (Not the PRO) is absolutely amazing, with a few minor issues. I miss my ThinkPad a great deal but what I miss most is Linux.
I am using Q (an OS X port of QEMU) for Fedora Core 5 and am considering Parallels once I up the RAM to 2 GB. My point is, that you are 100% correct. Apple won't officially support other platforms but until they release OS X on a ThinkPad, the MacBooks are great for the price and now give me the option to run multiple versions of Linux using virtualization or dual booting. Apple is primarily a hardware company and they can definitely sell more hardware if they at least maintain some openness to other operating systems.
Pankaj
TP With Fedora or MacBook
Doc,
I've been a faithful Linux desktop/laptop user for about 7 years with no Windows at all. My most used computer was a ThinkPad T40 running Fedora Core 3, 4 and now 5 with a dual booting into Suse 10.0.
My TP recently had a few too many falls and the system board is damaged. I decided to take a foray into the Mac laptop world after configuring a new ThinkPad that was comparable in spec to the MacBook but almost $750 more. The new and affordable MacBook (Not the PRO) is absolutely amazing, with a few minor issues. I miss my ThinkPad a great deal but what I miss most is Linux.
I am using Q (an OS X port of QEMU) for Fedora Core 5 and am considering Parallels once I up the RAM to 2 GB. My point is, that you are 100% correct. Apple won't officially support other platforms but until they release OS X on a ThinkPad, the MacBooks are great for the price and now give me the option to run multiple versions of Linux using virtualization or dual booting. Apple is primarily a hardware company and they can definitely sell more hardware if they at least maintain some openness to other operating systems.
Pankaj
TP With Fedora or MacBook
Doc,
I've been a faithful Linux desktop/laptop user for about 7 years with no Windows at all. My most used computer was a ThinkPad T40 running Fedora Core 3, 4 and now 5 with a dual booting into Suse 10.0.
My TP recently had a few too many falls and the system board is damaged. I decided to take a foray into the Mac laptop world after configuring a new ThinkPad that was comparable in spec to the MacBook but almost $750 more. The new and affordable MacBook (Not the PRO) is absolutely amazing, with a few minor issues. I miss my ThinkPad a great deal but what I miss most is Linux.
I am using Q (an OS X port of QEMU) for Fedora Core 5 and am considering Parallels once I up the RAM to 2 GB. My point is, that you are 100% correct. Apple won't officially support other platforms but until they release OS X on a ThinkPad, the MacBooks are great for the price and now give me the option to run multiple versions of Linux using virtualization or dual booting. Apple is primarily a hardware company and they can definitely sell more hardware if they at least maintain some openness to other operating systems.
Pankaj
How about bootcamp for Mac and Linux?
This is actually a comment and a question. I know Mac and Linux share a common geneology, but beyond that, I think there is a need for some to use bootcamp to boot up with a choice of Mac and Linux, instead of Mac and Windows.For example, using a G5 desktop to run Mac and Linux. My OS of choice is Linux, but I do like Apple computers and I-Tunes via Cross Over Office or Wine for Linux doesn't work for squat. I have heard some geeks have booted to Linux with bootcamp successfully. I was wondering if you had tried it or know someone who has?IT garage is great, keep it up!
Dual-booting Linux and OS X
Thanks for the kind words.
I too would love to be able to dual-boot Linux and OS X from one box. As platforms go, Windows is a distant #3 for me — a second boot on my ThinkPad (the main boot is SUSE Linux... Novell's desktop, actually).
Here's a story about boot camp installing (or starting to install) Ubuntu.
i love it...
no, not windows itself, but for not having to own two boxes anymore. as a mac owner (and lover) for 24 years, i have two needs for windows:
1) when i script presentation code (not well, but often), i need to check cross-platform rendering
2) gaming
3) random .exe's
every client-side developer and corporate procurement officer in our industry should be drooling over this.
i love it...
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katalog
Occational use. Except for my kids.
Both Boot Camp and Parallels Workstation allow me to take care of the occational need to run a Windows program. However, my children may use Windows for access to the games. Y'know?
Occational use. Except for my kids.
Both Boot Camp and Parallels Workstation allow me to take care of the occational need to run a Windows program. However, my children may use Windows for access to the games. Y'know?
Right On
I agree whole-heartedly, Doc. The analysts will do their thing and suggest all sorts of outlandishly devlish (in a good way) strategies that Apple is trying to accomplish with this release. Ultimately, though, I think Apple is just taking the next logical, pragmatic step to ensure survival -- make the computers do what people need them to do.
Diz